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Europeisk rollerderby har ju inte kommit lika långt som amerikansk. Det är ju så klart trist. Men det har också sina fördelar. Det bli nämligen otroligt mycket mer överskådligt!
Statistik är ju nämligen kul för alla sportnördar. Så jag satte ihop en lista på alla spelade matcher i europa och har därmed fått fram en väldigt haltande, och ovetenskaplig, europarankning. Det är bara matcher mellan ligor jag räknar med i rankningen. Jag listar de andra matcherna också. Först en total lista över alla matcher med europeiska lag.
Alla europeiska matcher till och med 2008.12.23 |
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| Datum | Hemmalag | Bortalag | |||||
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| 2007.05.13 | Black(SVRG) | 65 | White(SVRG) | 64 | |||
| 2007.08.10 | Team World(Rollercon ‘07) | 46 | Team USA(Rollercon ‘07) | 26 | |||
| 2007.09.08 | Team Pink(LRG) | 77 | Team Black(LRG) | 100 | |||
| 2007.10.14 | Stuttgart Valley Rollergirlz | 94 | London Rockin’ Rollers | 71 | |||
| 2007.10.27 | Birmingham Blitz Derby Dames | 110 | London Rockin’ Rollers | 109 | |||
| 2007.12.22 | Ho Ho Ho’s(SVRG) | 81 | Hells Belles(SVRG) | 80 | |||
| 2008.01.19 | Team Black(LRG) | 77 | Team Pink(LRG) | 96 | |||
| 2008.03.29 | London Rollergirls | 163 | Glasgow Rollergirls | 31 | |||
| 2008.04.12 | Birmingham Blitz Derby Dames | 91 | Glasgow Rollergirls | 74 | |||
| 2008.06.06 | Glasgow Rollergirls | 41 | Team Canada | 102 | |||
| 2008.06.07 | London Rollergirls | 128 | Team Canada | 45 | |||
| 2008.06.13 | Birmingham Blitz Derby Dames | 69 | Team Canada | 158 | |||
| 2008.07.19 | Team Pink(LRG) | 89 | Team Black(LRG) | 79 | |||
| 2008.07.30(?) | Team UK(Rollercon ‘08) | 43 | Team Australia(Rollercon ‘08) | 28 | |||
| 2008.09.27 | Suffra Jets(LRG) | 126 | Ultraviolent Femmes(LRG) | 94 | |||
| 2008.09.27 | Stuttgart Valley Rollergirlz | 76 | London Rockin’ Rollers | 81 | |||
| 2008.10.25 | Birmingham Blitz Derby Dames | 23 | London Rollergirls | 274 | |||
| 2008.11.22 | Birmingham Blitz Derby Dames | 81 | Stuttgart Valley Rollergirlz | 75 | |||
| 2008.12.06 | Steam Rollers(LRG) | 89 | Suffra Jets(LRG) | 103 | |||
De matcher som bör räknas med för någon form av europarankning är med andra ord dessa.
Alla matcher mellan europeiska ligor t.o.m. 2008.12.23 |
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| Datum | Hemmalag | Bortalag | |||||
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| 2007.10.14 | Stuttgart Valley Rollergirlz | 94 | London Rockin’ Rollers | 71 | |||
| 2007.10.27 | Birmingham Blitz Derby Dames | 110 | London Rockin’ Rollers | 109 | |||
| 2008.03.29 | London Rollergirls | 163 | Glasgow Rollergirls | 31 | |||
| 2008.04.12 | Birmingham Blitz Derby Dames | 91 | Glasgow Rollergirls | 74 | |||
| 2008.09.27 | Stuttgart Valley Rollergirlz | 76 | London Rockin’ Rollers | 81 | |||
| 2008.10.25 | Birmingham Blitz Derby Dames | 23 | London Rollergirls | 274 | |||
| 2008.11.22 | Birmingham Blitz Derby Dames | 81 | Stuttgart Valley Rollergirlz | 75 | |||
Vilket skulle ge en tabell som skulle se ut någonting så här. Vunnen match ger två poäng. Orsaken till det är att jag håller dörren öppen för olika sorters likaresultat, trots regler mot det. Man vet aldrig vad som kan dyka upp i form av avbrutna matcher och liknande.
Europatabell t.o.m. 2008.12.23 |
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| Lag | Spelade matcher | Poäng+ | Poäng- | Poängskillnad | Vunna matcher | Förlorade matcher | Totalt |
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| Birmingham Blitz Derby Dames | 4 | 305 | 532 | -227 | 3 | 1 | 6 |
| London Rollergirls | 2 | 437 | 54 | +383 | 2 | 0 | 4 |
| Stuttgart Valley Rollergirlz | 3 | 245 | 233 | +12 | 1 | 2 | 2 |
| London Rockin’ Rollers | 3 | 261 | 280 | -19 | 1 | 2 | 2 |
| Glasgow Rollergirls | 2 | 105 | 254 | -149 | 0 | 2 | 0 |
Som vi ser är den här tabellen knappast exakt och helt rättvis. De flesta av oss skulle nog ranka London Rollergirls som solklara ettor. Men om man använder ett sånt här serie- eller rankningssystem så har ju faktiskt Birmingham Blitz Derby Dames vunnit fler matcher. För att ett rankningssystem som det här ska bli rättvist måste det spelas betydligt fler matcher. Och inte ens då fungerar just det här sättet att räkna eftersom det är anpassat för seriespel. Men det ger någon form av fingervisning i alla fall.
Någon form av riktig rankning eller i alla fall det närmaste vi kan komma dyker förhoppningsvis upp i sommar då London Rollergirls bjudit in alla europeiska ligor till turnering i London den 18-19 Juli. Har vi tur kanske vi t.o.m. får se Stockholm Rollerderby live då!
Tags: Birmingham Blitz Derby Dames, Glasgow Rollergirls, London Rockin Rollers, London Rollergirls, rollerderby, Stuttgart Valley Roller Girlz, Team Canada
Januari 6th, 2009 at 10:21 em
Well what do you know! That’s really cheered me up! Thanks for doing this we’d love to post this to our forum and blog — I’d like to add you to our blogroll as well. Can you add us?
http://blitzdames.blogspot.com/
Cheers!
Januari 6th, 2009 at 11:11 em
Of course!
Januari 7th, 2009 at 9:49 fm
All I gotta say is…WAHOOO! Now thats what I like to see…GO DAMES! You see all the hard work does pay off! *Sniff* So proud of my team! Thank you ladies!
xxx
Januari 7th, 2009 at 2:16 em
i for one, think its amusing that you rate the Bham team higher than LRG team, considering LRG whipped/destroyed/beat in to a pulp BBDD 274-23 (yes that score is correct that is a whopping 251 point advantage)
i think that stat speaks for itself.
Also LRG is an actual LEAGUE (they are the longest standing and first rollerderby team in the UK) they have 3 teams that bout AND their all star team (made up of players from the whole league the team that took on bham and beat them by 274-23) where as Bham is just one team.
i guess this proves the point of “statistically speaking 90% of statistics are statistically wrong”
As a huge derby fan and having watched both teams bout against each other and other teams in the UK/EU i would say with no question that LRG are one slick, mean, bad ass roller derby team and are the number 1 in the UK if not EU (would be great to see LRG take on some EU teams after the beat down they gave Team Canada), BBDD has, from what i hear some issues with their team/league as many members left BBDD to set up their own league which i am sure has left BBDD short on experienced players. I am sure in time, BBDD will get better and slicker.
i cant remember the exact date but i know LRG are playing BBDD again sometime this year and i am sure that BBDD will want to improve on the performance from last time
Januari 7th, 2009 at 7:56 em
Hamburglar, the problems you speak of in the Blitz Dames are well over a year old! The Blitz Dames have over come our split in 2007 have grown and improved.
Yes, LRG beat us…so what? I’ll tell you why we are the best, we are willing to play anybody and everybody at any time! If we are down players, we don’t care its just more of a challenge And we like a good challenge!
The Blitz Dames will next be playing in Stuttgart, Germany on the 31st of January and back on home soil to face Glasgow Rollergirls in Glasgow, in Febuary.
Januari 7th, 2009 at 8:39 em
From my understanding of the Brum split most of the skaters that left the league had the issue, not the BBDD themselves. So the issues left with the those who chose to leave. That my friend is ancient history!
It says a lot that BBDD came back after a split where and have been able to play so many games winning more than losing. Especially considering they took the challenge of LRG’s A-Team when BBDD had a B-Team due a high percentage of new/inexperienced skaters (but they were willing to do it and learned a lot).
The rematch is 30 May we hear that LRG has a B-Team “London Burning” so it would make sense for LRG to meet BBDD on the track with a evenly matched set of skaters this time.
Januari 7th, 2009 at 8:41 em
Can I just double check, as I am not sure I understand the table. Does ‘Spelade Matcher’ mean ‘matches played?’ So shouldn’t London Roller Girls have played ‘3′ and not ‘2′? I could be wrong? Or are we not counting Team Canada? Thanks!
Januari 7th, 2009 at 8:58 em
Gee Whiz! What is up with people? It’s based on number of interleague games played we just happen to rank higher cause we played more games… so why get so defensive?
We are indeed a league and not a team — we have over 35 skaters , but not all are competition ready.
PLUS, we PREFER interleague bouting to intraleague as we find it more challenging and exciting — we think our fans agree.
When more of our skaters become ready for competition we *may* consider some intra-league to fill the calendar… I personally do not find it all that exciting as laying into someone you don’t have to see every day!
LRG are a great team. We thank them for kicking our ass – we learned a lot and can’t wait to pass this learning on to other people… and of course to them come May.
Win or lose it’s a game and we love the challenge!
Derby luv & shuvs,
Bee Sting
Founder Blitz Dames
Januari 7th, 2009 at 9:08 em
well, this is really not a place to get into a heated debate about who’s the best (sorry for hijacking your blog post, Micke!)
It’s very interesting to see all the European scores collected together in one place – thanks for pulling it all together Micke! I know our travel team would love to play more games, but right now we’re focusing on our intra-league season. We are very much looking forward to resuming inter-league play in summer though, and we are super excited about the tournament. We really hope Stockholm can make it!
For what it’s worth, as far as I’m aware Hamburglar is not affiliated with the LRG. I am, though
I’ll be coming to watch the Glasgow-BBDD bout and I’m very much looking forward to it. Always good to see more derby…
- Fox Sake
London Rollergirls/Steam Rollers/London Brawling
Januari 7th, 2009 at 9:39 em
I think that Micke just meant this as a fun exercise to explore/demonstrate what kind of information we could potentially have on European leagues.
The elements in the table are really interesting to see, but as far as I understand (I had to have this explained to me), ranking is meaningless unless everyone in the table has played the same number of games and each team has played each other team equally. Obviously, that’s not the case here.
I think that Micke made that pretty clear (from the translations I have read–I don’t understand Swedish), so I don’t see any need to take this all too seriously!
The take home message is probably just that this is something interesting to think about–how we can go about summarizing what’s going on in European derby, given that we don’t neatly fit into the approaches already used by other sports.
Januari 8th, 2009 at 1:33 fm
Hamburglar:
What you are writing about is actually more or less what I write in the swedish text next to the stats. This was something I put together for fun. There are still too few games played in Europe to create proper rankings. No matter how you do it at this point it will be unfair in some way. I realize that I should have written this post i english aswell. But I didn’t know so many non-swedes would see and read the post!
Micke/Holy Hooligan
Ref STRD
Januari 8th, 2009 at 1:38 fm
Kitty:
You are quite right. I did not include the Canada games since they were not games against another euro-team. Fair or not? I don’t know. But that is what I chose to do.
Micke/Holy Hooligan
Ref STRD
Januari 8th, 2009 at 10:12 fm
Thanks Micke for giving the European stats thing a whirl! It’s great to see a record of what this sport has actually achieved and know that there is much more to come!
European rollerderby hasn’t come as far as it’s American counterpart, which is of course sad. But it also has its advantages. For one it makes it incredibly much easier to overview!
Statistics are always great fun for all sports geeks, so I compiled a list of all the games played in Europe and thus have produced a very lakcing and unscientific European league table. I am only taking interleague matches into consideration, but I am listing the other games as well.
Firstly, a list of all games played by European teams
(Date) (Home) (Away)
…
The games that should contribute to some form of league table are the following:
(Date) (Home) (Away)
…
Which would produce a table that looks something like this. A win gives two points. The reason for this is that I am keeping the door open for variations inthe results, despite the rules not allowing it. You never know what could happen in the case of aborted games and the like.
(Team) (Games played) (Points +) (Points -) (Points difference) (Games won) (Games lost) (Total)
As we can see this table is hardly exact nor entirely fair. Most of us would probably rate the London Rollergirls as the clear number ones. But if you use a system like this, the Birmingham Blitz Derby Dames have actually won more games. To make a system like this fair, significantly more games have to be played. And even then it will not work because it is adapted to league play. But at least it will give a bit of an indication.
Some form of proper ranking or at least as close as we can get to it will hopefully materialise this summer, as the LRG have invited all European leagues for a tournament in London between July 18-19. With any luck we might even see Stockholm Rollerderby live by then!
Januari 8th, 2009 at 1:11 em
Thanks for the translation Tear E! I did an awful one myself and sent to Bee the other day, but yours is way better!
Micke/Holy Hooligan
Ref STRD
Januari 8th, 2009 at 2:37 em
oh, i get it! thanks Micke! My Swedish extends to ‘Gud Jul!!!’ and ‘varsågod’. hahaha.
I agree with Tear-E, when she says maybe when we have the EU tournament, that maybe we will then get a good indication of where everyone is at in the EU.
Hope to see Stockholm there!!!
(though I will actually NOT be skating in the tournament as I am heading back to Oz….but i WILL be here for the BBDD rematch!!!!)
Januari 10th, 2009 at 12:11 fm
Most leagues in the UK only have one team. And I it’s safe to say that IF their wasn’t s split in Brum, the BBDD would be just as big as LRG and would have expended more time in development of their skills instead of recruiting and training up fresh meat, allowing for the opportunity for their travel team to practice together against everyone else like LRG, which must be a benefit and gives them a edge against other leagues who aren’t as big to do this. Just my .02!
Januari 11th, 2009 at 12:45 fm
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Februari 26th, 2009 at 10:30 fm
Do you think you’ll update this with the results of the past couple of interleague games? Dames have won 2 more interleague games against Stuttgart and Glasgow.